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Architecture of the Conversation Commons

01 December 2023 at 1:00 PM EST

Teresa Hoskyns and Claudia Westermann spoke at the Dupont Summit on Science, Technology, and Environmental Policy in the track "Policy, Governance & Thinking AS IF Democracy Matters." organized by Lowell Christy and Valarie Lamont.

Slides and press release are to be found here:


Architecture for the Conversation Commons


Technoetic Aesthetics of Second Order Cybernetics

22 November 2023 at 5:00 PM China Standard Time

LASER Talks at Roy Ascott Studio (Hybrid): Technoetic Aesthetics of Second Order Cybernetics. Monday, Nov 20, 2023: José dos Santos Cabral Filho and Daniel Lenz. Wednesday, Nov 22, 2023: Claudia Westermann and Michelle Lewis-King. Info and Zoom link:


Cybernetics of Cybernetics, Laser Talk, Roy Ascott Studio



#NewMacy Studio in Sympoiesis

6 October 2023

by Claudia Westermann, Ioannis Bardakos, Eryk Salvaggio, Jude Lombardi, and Larry Richards

#NewMacy Studio in Sympoiesis at the Relating Systems Thinking and Design (RSD12)

Sympoiesis, a term coined by Beth Dempster and further developed by Donna Haraway, works as a conceptual remedy against misappropriations of autopoiesis. Replacing the prefix auto- with syn- emphasizes interdependence. Sympoiesis, one could say, is what the concept of autopoiesis needs to become when the observation moves from the molecular domain to the domain of living beings. Sympoiesis emphasizes the interdependence of living beings and other living beings, environments, things, concepts, and ideas.

As Larry Richards has outlined, the making of something new—the process of poiesis—requires the suspension of synchronicity. In our Studio, asynchronicity will create the necessary condition for engendering the collision of two distinct phenomenal and logical domains—the domain of relations and the domain of dynamics—and affirm sympoiesis as a cybernetic concept. The #NewMacy Studio in Sympoiesis will be an exercise in the suspension of clock time.

KEYWORDS: second-order cybernetics, sympoiesis, autopoiesis, anticommunication, asynchronicity


Sympoiesis Workshop, RSD12, 6 October 2023




Michigan State University’s MuSeUm, 1.5° Celsius (the Anthropocene) exhibition

6 September 2022 – 25 February 2023

Eryk Salvaggio, USA (music), Claudia Westermann and Vinny Montag (emotional landscape), Hao Liu (mushroom research)


Interview | Appetite for Deconstruction by Eryk Salvaggio, Claudia Westermann, Vinny Montag, Hao Liu. Interview by Yi Qian and video by Chenxu Zhao of Xi'an Jiaotong-Liverpool University.


MSU Museum, 1.5 Celsius exhibition, title image.


A collaborative installation of art, music, and environmental science, the project Appetite for Deconstruction is a multi-media emotional landscape for the ‘1.5° Celsius (the Anthropocene)’ exhibition at the Michigan State University’s MuSeUm. Visitors are immersed within a sonic landscape of old broken radios and discarded audio equipment, impregnated with soil and growing oyster mushrooms. The oyster mushrooms’ electrical signals create an environmental feedback mechanism via electrodes connected to synthesizers facilitating the composition of ‘mushroom music.’ A mushroom-play-kit is in development for a spring 2023 workshop.


Salvaggio, Westermann, Montag, and Liu, Appetite for Deconstruction, installation, 2022.


Eryk Salvaggio, Claudia Westermann, Vinny Montag, and Hao Liu, Appetite for Deconstruction, installation, 2022. Photo by Claudia Westermann.



Cybernetic Musings on Open Form(s): Learning to Float

15 October 2022 at 11:20 AM UK time

Speaking about Seats for Seeing, Chinese landscapes, and technologies for learning to float at RSD11 in session 11 'Radical Shifts in Planetary Health.'


Thanks to Patricia Kambitch of Playthink for the visualization of my talk.


sketchnote by Patricia Kambitch of Playthink
Sketchnote by Patricia Kambitch of Playthink



Seats for Seeing, 2019. Photos by Chen Fanyun.
Seats for Seeing. Photo by Chen Fanyun.


Seats for Seeing. Photo by Claudia Westermann
Seats for Seeing. Photo by Claudia Westermann.



#NewMacy ACT I to III | 13-15 October at RSD11

RSD11 and #NewMacy present a track dedicated to catalyzing conversations for action across disciplines, geographies, and generations through systemic principles, processes, and communities. #NewMacy creates conditions for enacting productive responses among individuals and communities that bring about change in the near term while planning for and committing to the timespan required to effect lasting change. The current focus is a new framing for “ontogenesis,” specifically that of developing new ways of becoming. To survive in a changing world, we must embrace resilience in lieu of security, interpreted as constancy. Hence, #NewMacy substitutes ontogenetic resilience as the framing intention — and Cybernetics as key.


The #NewMacy at RSD11 series of events also includes a Radian Circles workshop on October 14, in which Eryk and Claudia introduce the Appetite for Deconstruction installation currently on display at the Michigan State University MuSeUm in the 1.5 Celsius exhibition.


Radiant Circles — Cybernetic Musings on Resonant Forms
facilitated by Eryk Salvaggio, Claudia Westermann

Through resonance, works of art and design are centering. In openness to expansion, they grant agency. They create closure and consummation but never stasis. They are circular. This session explores how Gordon Pask’s ‘conversation’ as aesthetic experience initiates ontogenetic resilience via processes that devalue established hierarchies of oppression. In the process, new ecological values are instigated and cultivated.


Appetite for Deconstruction
E. Salvaggio, C. Westermann, V. Montag and H. Liu, 2022, Appetite for Deconstruction



A Cybernetic Picnic | 8 October, 12 PM London time


A Cybernetic Picnic at RSDX, title image



Playing within Systems for Change (The Art Panel) | 6 October, 12 PM London time

A recording of the session is available on youtube.


Playing within Systems for Change (The Art Panel) | 6 October, 12 PM London time



Radiant Circles – Cybernetic Musings on Resonant Forms

With Carlos Castellanos, Damian Chapman, Kate Doyle, Michael Lieber, TJ McLeish, Paul Pangaro, Eve Pinsker, Eryk Salvaggio, Larry Richards, and Fred Steier, NewMacy Studios Act I: Re-defining Stability + NewMacy Studios Act II: Re-establishing Stability, with Eryk Salvaggio Studio B, Radiant Circles – Cybernetic Musings on Resonant Forms at the ISSS 2022 Conference, Advances in Systems Sciences and Systems Practice. 07-11 July 2022.

At the same conference, Claudia Westermann will be hosting the Ranulph Glanville Memorial Lecture by speaker Bill Seaman (Duke).


Technoetic Arts: A Journey of Speculative Research at ISEA

13 June 2022,  Dalila Honorato, Claudia Jacques, Yong Hu and Iannis Bardakos, ISEA 2022, 27th International Symposium on Electronic Art, Theme 04 – Educations and Societies, Barcelona, Spain, 10–16 June 2022.


Conversational Modes in Art and Design Education 

19 May 2022, with Ben Sweeting, a presentation and discussion (90 minutes) at Cybernetics Conversation, Loughborough University, UK, 16th-25th May. A recording of the session is now available via youtube.


New Macy #2

19 September 2021, 12 pm ET. Join our discussion!

Urgent Questions in response to “Today’s AI” — #NewMacy Meeting #2 | American Society for Cybernetics

What forms of human-machine interactivity would move us away from the ills of “Today’s AI”? How do we create organic frameworks for AI that are based in human and ecological values?
There is no question that widespread AI software has negative effects. Manipulation of our attention and political sentiment, spread of bias, loss of privacy, and encouragement toward addictive behaviors are only a few widely acknowledged examples. With 2.8 billion people active on social media and 4 billion touched by digital devices, these manifestations of “Today’s AI” demand response. For further information and registration see the Eventbrite page.


Echoes of Colour

Shanti Sadan Foundation, Ahmedabad | Saturday, 18 September @ 6 pm IST 

As the voice speaks, its murmuring sounds turn into reflection. Against the unbearable absolute of determinacy, it wants to posit an ecology of ambiguity that may assist cybernetic agents to enact the ever fluid echoes of emotional exchanges on the anthropocosmic stage of becoming. Presenting a journey from central Europe to east China, the talk entitled ‘Echoes of Colour’ engages aesthetic experiences and their translations into works of art and design. Within the context of an ecology of ambiguity, design is a performative process that creates limits rather than limitations and, is, therefore, a discipline of radical communication that always seeks to extend itself towards an Other – the unknown – addressing it without pre-quantifying it to render it scientifically verifiable.

Westermann, 2021, Echoes of Colour


18th September 2021 - 18:00 IST (Ahmedabad time), 20:30 Beijing CST (Beijing time). Public lecture. Online. Registration is free. For further information and registration see here: 




Living in Landscapes of Uncertainty

Radical Uncertainty: Design beyond solutionism Webinar, University of Brighton's Radical Methodologies Research and Enterprise Group, Claudia Westermann | Friday, 23 July 2021 @ 10 am GMT | 

Fri, 23 July 2021, 10 am UK time, 11 am Berlin time, 5 pm Beijing time.

Westermann, Landscapes of Uncertainty


Public Lecture. 

The recording of the discussion will be posted online on the Radical Methodologies website. Claudia Westermann's pre-recorded statement is also on youtube.